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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;Daily Life in Cyberspace&#8221; by Howard Rheingold</title>
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		<title>By: kgrim</title>
		<link>http://medillinteractivepublishing.com/daily-life-in-cyberspace-by-howard-rheingold/#comment-122</link>
		<author>kgrim</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 07:03:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Something that stuck out for me in this article was the idea of "selling the customers to each other." What has made any social networking site work is the fact that likeable people have showed up to the party. I really had no interest in MySpace or Facebook until friends of mine started signing up.

As everyone has mentioned, it didn't exactly used to be that way. When you went into one of those old-timey chatrooms (cue old-timey piano music), you had no idea what kind of people would be there. The site had to work harder to sell you on a theme.

WELL seems to be somewhere in between. They got journalists to sign up so they could spread the word. But they were also selling the idea that a certain kind of person would show up to a WELL discussion. The person you talked to might be a stranger, but you'd recognize their type.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something that stuck out for me in this article was the idea of &#8220;selling the customers to each other.&#8221; What has made any social networking site work is the fact that likeable people have showed up to the party. I really had no interest in MySpace or Facebook until friends of mine started signing up.</p>
<p>As everyone has mentioned, it didn&#8217;t exactly used to be that way. When you went into one of those old-timey chatrooms (cue old-timey piano music), you had no idea what kind of people would be there. The site had to work harder to sell you on a theme.</p>
<p>WELL seems to be somewhere in between. They got journalists to sign up so they could spread the word. But they were also selling the idea that a certain kind of person would show up to a WELL discussion. The person you talked to might be a stranger, but you&#8217;d recognize their type.</p>
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		<title>By: czdanowicz</title>
		<link>http://medillinteractivepublishing.com/daily-life-in-cyberspace-by-howard-rheingold/#comment-121</link>
		<author>czdanowicz</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 03:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I, too, found Rheingold’s piece to be a little depressing, it threw me back to the time when the Internet was new. It reminded me of what it was like to sit and stare in awe at WebCrawler or Dogpile. Except, for me it was a little different because I sat in front of my TV – I actually had WebTV. That was pretty odd, now that I think back to it. For me, the Internet became linked with television, because whenever someone was online, the other members of the family couldn’t watch TV. 

Like a few people discussed on this thread, I remember going into chatrooms and forums and talking to strangers, much like WELL members did back in the hippie days. Now, while I am somewhat creeped out by the thought of talking to strangers online, I think my limited experiences with online strangers back in the day were fairly useful. I belonged to an online debate forum throughout high school (that’s when we got WebTV). I know, I know, I’m a nerd, but the example illustrates my point. I would pose questions and reply to threads under a pseudonym. Not only did I learn a lot from debaters all over the country, but I made a few friends online. Some of us would chat in the forum’s chatrooms and we met in person at debate tournaments. While this may be a rarity, I actually forged real-life friendships with the debaters I met online. So, talking to strangers online actually became talking to friends in person. Go figure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I, too, found Rheingold’s piece to be a little depressing, it threw me back to the time when the Internet was new. It reminded me of what it was like to sit and stare in awe at WebCrawler or Dogpile. Except, for me it was a little different because I sat in front of my TV – I actually had WebTV. That was pretty odd, now that I think back to it. For me, the Internet became linked with television, because whenever someone was online, the other members of the family couldn’t watch TV. </p>
<p>Like a few people discussed on this thread, I remember going into chatrooms and forums and talking to strangers, much like WELL members did back in the hippie days. Now, while I am somewhat creeped out by the thought of talking to strangers online, I think my limited experiences with online strangers back in the day were fairly useful. I belonged to an online debate forum throughout high school (that’s when we got WebTV). I know, I know, I’m a nerd, but the example illustrates my point. I would pose questions and reply to threads under a pseudonym. Not only did I learn a lot from debaters all over the country, but I made a few friends online. Some of us would chat in the forum’s chatrooms and we met in person at debate tournaments. While this may be a rarity, I actually forged real-life friendships with the debaters I met online. So, talking to strangers online actually became talking to friends in person. Go figure.</p>
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		<title>By: svillarreal</title>
		<link>http://medillinteractivepublishing.com/daily-life-in-cyberspace-by-howard-rheingold/#comment-117</link>
		<author>svillarreal</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 22:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's funny that we all think the idea of using online communities solely to connect with other strangers as creepy/boring, yet we all used to do it. In the early days of the Internet, that was part of its fascination. First of all, the idea that you cold connect with someone on the other side of the country, let alone world, was exciting. Now in the age of globilization when many of our friends live in different countries, it's not quite that thrilling.

And yes, some people do get online primarily to meet strangers (as evidenced by the success of online dating sites), but you don't maintain your anonymity. 

Basically I think the initial reaction to chat rooms, anonymous encounters, etc is one of excitement at the unknown. But now that we all know what to expect, we crave the personal connections, and then realized the Internet could provide that as well as more further explained in the other reading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s funny that we all think the idea of using online communities solely to connect with other strangers as creepy/boring, yet we all used to do it. In the early days of the Internet, that was part of its fascination. First of all, the idea that you cold connect with someone on the other side of the country, let alone world, was exciting. Now in the age of globilization when many of our friends live in different countries, it&#8217;s not quite that thrilling.</p>
<p>And yes, some people do get online primarily to meet strangers (as evidenced by the success of online dating sites), but you don&#8217;t maintain your anonymity. </p>
<p>Basically I think the initial reaction to chat rooms, anonymous encounters, etc is one of excitement at the unknown. But now that we all know what to expect, we crave the personal connections, and then realized the Internet could provide that as well as more further explained in the other reading.</p>
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		<title>By: sphelan</title>
		<link>http://medillinteractivepublishing.com/daily-life-in-cyberspace-by-howard-rheingold/#comment-116</link>
		<author>sphelan</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 22:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://medillinteractivepublishing.com/daily-life-in-cyberspace-by-howard-rheingold/#comment-116</guid>
		<description>Sorry again for the tardiness! Darn computer. Ok, now time to get down to business. Truthfully, the article confused me a little. I did understand the WELL projects until I read it through a few times. I have to agree with Brenna and Andrea that I found the article a little depressing. I would have no interest in just talking to people I didn’t know on the Internet. The idea even bores me. If I wanted to have a discussion, I’d rather do it in person. That is not to say that once upon a time I didn’t sit in chat rooms talking to people, because when the internet first came out (or at least I first discover it) I would go to those kid chat rooms and talk. But it was all so impersonal. It drove me nuts. So I stopped and saved the IInternet for research and connecting with friends I knew from school.

As for the WELL, I do like how it strives to be a creditable source with real names and such. I think that is a great model to follow. So many people hide behind the anonymity of the web and spout ideas as facts. It is a bit sad. Hopefully, in the future, others will follow this example and make the Internet more reliable for those gathering information. Unfortunately, that is all I really got from the article. Sorry I can’t give more!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry again for the tardiness! Darn computer. Ok, now time to get down to business. Truthfully, the article confused me a little. I did understand the WELL projects until I read it through a few times. I have to agree with Brenna and Andrea that I found the article a little depressing. I would have no interest in just talking to people I didn’t know on the Internet. The idea even bores me. If I wanted to have a discussion, I’d rather do it in person. That is not to say that once upon a time I didn’t sit in chat rooms talking to people, because when the internet first came out (or at least I first discover it) I would go to those kid chat rooms and talk. But it was all so impersonal. It drove me nuts. So I stopped and saved the IInternet for research and connecting with friends I knew from school.</p>
<p>As for the WELL, I do like how it strives to be a creditable source with real names and such. I think that is a great model to follow. So many people hide behind the anonymity of the web and spout ideas as facts. It is a bit sad. Hopefully, in the future, others will follow this example and make the Internet more reliable for those gathering information. Unfortunately, that is all I really got from the article. Sorry I can’t give more!</p>
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		<title>By: anitzke</title>
		<link>http://medillinteractivepublishing.com/daily-life-in-cyberspace-by-howard-rheingold/#comment-113</link>
		<author>anitzke</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 18:23:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think all of the above post are great.  Maude, I love the story about deleting yourself from friendster.  I am just coming to terms with how difficult it is to separate the internet as a useful tool versus something that is much more meaningful and personal to many people.  
Now that I can find myself on google, it makes me much more aware of why and how other people use the internet, and I do feel more personally involved for some reason.  Perhaps that is what the author is talking about when he writes that "communities are imagined in the sense that a given nation exists by virtue of common acceptance in the minds of the population that it exists."  
I also thought Felecia's post about lonelygirl and her comparison of it to our new relationships at Medill was an interesting point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think all of the above post are great.  Maude, I love the story about deleting yourself from friendster.  I am just coming to terms with how difficult it is to separate the internet as a useful tool versus something that is much more meaningful and personal to many people.<br />
Now that I can find myself on google, it makes me much more aware of why and how other people use the internet, and I do feel more personally involved for some reason.  Perhaps that is what the author is talking about when he writes that &#8220;communities are imagined in the sense that a given nation exists by virtue of common acceptance in the minds of the population that it exists.&#8221;<br />
I also thought Felecia&#8217;s post about lonelygirl and her comparison of it to our new relationships at Medill was an interesting point.</p>
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		<title>By: hgross</title>
		<link>http://medillinteractivepublishing.com/daily-life-in-cyberspace-by-howard-rheingold/#comment-112</link>
		<author>hgross</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 18:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone else think it's a bit humorous that WELL was founded and run by hippies and commune alumni? Rheingold seems to say that these folks created such a successful online community becayse of their real-life community-building experience. 

I was a bit confused by the idea of the WELL community not being anonymous. Rheingold says the WELL users created pseudonyms. How is that not anonymous? Were other users able to view their real names somehow? I wonder if WELL was like the modern-day Web, where everything seems anonymous, but nothing really is. 

It is funny to me to see how online interactions have changed. With WELL, people were mostly communicating with strangers. And as Brenna and Andrea said, when we first became exposed to the Web through AOL and other services, the norm was to interact with strangers online. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think most Web users have moved away from that now, using the Web mostly to communicate with people they know or to gather information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone else think it&#8217;s a bit humorous that WELL was founded and run by hippies and commune alumni? Rheingold seems to say that these folks created such a successful online community becayse of their real-life community-building experience. </p>
<p>I was a bit confused by the idea of the WELL community not being anonymous. Rheingold says the WELL users created pseudonyms. How is that not anonymous? Were other users able to view their real names somehow? I wonder if WELL was like the modern-day Web, where everything seems anonymous, but nothing really is. </p>
<p>It is funny to me to see how online interactions have changed. With WELL, people were mostly communicating with strangers. And as Brenna and Andrea said, when we first became exposed to the Web through AOL and other services, the norm was to interact with strangers online. Maybe I&#8217;m wrong, but I think most Web users have moved away from that now, using the Web mostly to communicate with people they know or to gather information.</p>
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		<title>By: fdaniels</title>
		<link>http://medillinteractivepublishing.com/daily-life-in-cyberspace-by-howard-rheingold/#comment-111</link>
		<author>fdaniels</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 17:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a confession to make.  I watch LonelyGirl15.  On the website, in addition to the webisodes, you can sign up and post comments on each of the videos.  There are hundreds of people all over the world who post like it is their job every time a new video is posted.  Not only do they comment on the plot line of the lame story, but they talk with each other.  
They are all strangers, but over time I have read the comments that became so personal I would have thought these people were old friends if I hadn’t known it was a woman from New Zealand offering to mail holiday cookies to some guy in Missouri.  As lonely and weird as it is for me to even contemplate spending hours talking to strangers, maybe this fulfills something for these LonelyGirl15 fans, just like the Deadheads.  
Even in j-school I’m sure most of us found ourselves developing intense bonds with each other (once strangers) based on a common interest.  Is it any less real than if we all met in a chat room and formed a bond by chatting about our shared experience at Medill? So I won’t begrudge the LonelyGirl15 crew.  After all, none of you are sending me Christmas cookies :-) .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a confession to make.  I watch LonelyGirl15.  On the website, in addition to the webisodes, you can sign up and post comments on each of the videos.  There are hundreds of people all over the world who post like it is their job every time a new video is posted.  Not only do they comment on the plot line of the lame story, but they talk with each other.<br />
They are all strangers, but over time I have read the comments that became so personal I would have thought these people were old friends if I hadn’t known it was a woman from New Zealand offering to mail holiday cookies to some guy in Missouri.  As lonely and weird as it is for me to even contemplate spending hours talking to strangers, maybe this fulfills something for these LonelyGirl15 fans, just like the Deadheads.<br />
Even in j-school I’m sure most of us found ourselves developing intense bonds with each other (once strangers) based on a common interest.  Is it any less real than if we all met in a chat room and formed a bond by chatting about our shared experience at Medill? So I won’t begrudge the LonelyGirl15 crew.  After all, none of you are sending me Christmas cookies <img src='http://medillinteractivepublishing.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
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		<title>By: cotoole</title>
		<link>http://medillinteractivepublishing.com/daily-life-in-cyberspace-by-howard-rheingold/#comment-110</link>
		<author>cotoole</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 17:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://medillinteractivepublishing.com/daily-life-in-cyberspace-by-howard-rheingold/#comment-110</guid>
		<description>Utopian hippies in cyberspace?  Who doesn't love that?

For me this article said more about the idealistic dreams of aging members of the counterculture than it did about the states of virtual communities.

Online interaction will always feel partially hollow, as Brenna has already mentioned, so Anna and I will have to work on paring back our use of Facebook to feel better about our lives.  My guess is that the allure of sites like Facebook will fade once the limits of its usefulness become clearer.  There is always intense fervor with the introduction of new forms of interaction, but in the end practicality rules the day.  Those utopean dreams are really just dreams after all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Utopian hippies in cyberspace?  Who doesn&#8217;t love that?</p>
<p>For me this article said more about the idealistic dreams of aging members of the counterculture than it did about the states of virtual communities.</p>
<p>Online interaction will always feel partially hollow, as Brenna has already mentioned, so Anna and I will have to work on paring back our use of Facebook to feel better about our lives.  My guess is that the allure of sites like Facebook will fade once the limits of its usefulness become clearer.  There is always intense fervor with the introduction of new forms of interaction, but in the end practicality rules the day.  Those utopean dreams are really just dreams after all.</p>
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		<title>By: kwebley</title>
		<link>http://medillinteractivepublishing.com/daily-life-in-cyberspace-by-howard-rheingold/#comment-107</link>
		<author>kwebley</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 17:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://medillinteractivepublishing.com/daily-life-in-cyberspace-by-howard-rheingold/#comment-107</guid>
		<description>I wonder if the WELL network was such a revolutionary concept then what happened to it. Today’s Wikipedia is probably the closest construct, but yet cannot be fully trusted because it is unclear who writes it and what (if any) actual knowledge they have to contribute. If Wikipedia were to require posts from identified scholars I imagine more people would think of it as a credible source. 

If WELL started out as a credible source (or at least more credible than Wikipedia) why was this model not followed? Why not have people identify themselves by name on Wikipedia? Why not require people to prove themselves as intelligent on the topic? I guess if that was the case then Wikipedia wouldn’t be what it is today – a massive source of information. 

I just wonder if anyone did follow the WELL model, and if so where are those sites? What are they doing? Is it working? What would the original hippie founders say about WELL now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if the WELL network was such a revolutionary concept then what happened to it. Today’s Wikipedia is probably the closest construct, but yet cannot be fully trusted because it is unclear who writes it and what (if any) actual knowledge they have to contribute. If Wikipedia were to require posts from identified scholars I imagine more people would think of it as a credible source. </p>
<p>If WELL started out as a credible source (or at least more credible than Wikipedia) why was this model not followed? Why not have people identify themselves by name on Wikipedia? Why not require people to prove themselves as intelligent on the topic? I guess if that was the case then Wikipedia wouldn’t be what it is today – a massive source of information. </p>
<p>I just wonder if anyone did follow the WELL model, and if so where are those sites? What are they doing? Is it working? What would the original hippie founders say about WELL now?</p>
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		<title>By: abartz</title>
		<link>http://medillinteractivepublishing.com/daily-life-in-cyberspace-by-howard-rheingold/#comment-105</link>
		<author>abartz</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 17:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like what Rob just said: "I’m sure it was all worth it for the community aspect, especially to those Deadheads who had no other avenues to express their insightful readings of Jerry Garcia’s lyrical genius." But wait, is it really "community" when your main motivation is to get your opinion out there? 

I, like Brenna, was a little depressed by this article. I too was thinking back to the afternoons of typing away with strangers in chat rooms - half the time I made up my age and location. Maybe this online community was exactly what these Deadheads needed, but wouldn't they have been better off finding ways to congregate and communicate in person? Everyone needs to feel connected, but I can't see how online communication can be an all-out replacement for socializing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like what Rob just said: &#8220;I’m sure it was all worth it for the community aspect, especially to those Deadheads who had no other avenues to express their insightful readings of Jerry Garcia’s lyrical genius.&#8221; But wait, is it really &#8220;community&#8221; when your main motivation is to get your opinion out there? </p>
<p>I, like Brenna, was a little depressed by this article. I too was thinking back to the afternoons of typing away with strangers in chat rooms - half the time I made up my age and location. Maybe this online community was exactly what these Deadheads needed, but wouldn&#8217;t they have been better off finding ways to congregate and communicate in person? Everyone needs to feel connected, but I can&#8217;t see how online communication can be an all-out replacement for socializing.</p>
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