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	<title>Comments on: Reading 1: &#8220;The History of Online Journalism,&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: averwymeren</title>
		<link>http://medillinteractivepublishing.com/reading-1-the-history-of-online-journalism/#comment-250</link>
		<author>averwymeren</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 16:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This article got me thinking about the changing business model for online news. Failed projects like Times Select and Salon's subscription service prove that it is more profitable to give your work to 20 million readers than to sell a subscription to 1 million. With the Wall Street Journal, the lone hold out when it comes to subscription services, about to drop its fee sometime soon, the US has seen a total transition to free news. The same cannot be said for my native Canada. Major papers like the Globe &#38; Mail persist in insisting on a fee for certain parts of the site. People talk about the death of news, but once the online versions of papers learn to better monetize their product, I think we'll see a lot of growth in the news business. People read more news now than ever, we're just not willing to pay for it anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article got me thinking about the changing business model for online news. Failed projects like Times Select and Salon&#8217;s subscription service prove that it is more profitable to give your work to 20 million readers than to sell a subscription to 1 million. With the Wall Street Journal, the lone hold out when it comes to subscription services, about to drop its fee sometime soon, the US has seen a total transition to free news. The same cannot be said for my native Canada. Major papers like the Globe &amp; Mail persist in insisting on a fee for certain parts of the site. People talk about the death of news, but once the online versions of papers learn to better monetize their product, I think we&#8217;ll see a lot of growth in the news business. People read more news now than ever, we&#8217;re just not willing to pay for it anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: bboyer</title>
		<link>http://medillinteractivepublishing.com/reading-1-the-history-of-online-journalism/#comment-244</link>
		<author>bboyer</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 14:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sol's right that video games are not given enough attention by the author, and I'll throw in two more that went completely without mention.  In the early 90's, there were only two reasons, besides games, for a 12 year-old boy to use a modem: pirated software and porn.  Between game forums on Prodigy, dial-up "elite" BBSs, and Usenet (via Michnet dialup, Gopher to MSU, and Telnet out to NYX, a wonderful little machine at Denver University that was nice enough to give me a login, email, and access to all the illegal goodies I could hunt down) our family's second phone line was all fuzz, squeaks, and squeals for many years.

Erin's run-down of what's new is pretty complete.  I would also throw in mobile devices, which have yet to reach even a tiny fraction of their future potential.  The iPhone is maaaaybe at the stage of the French videotex system.  Maybe.  We will, in our lifetimes, see a totally immersive, transparent, ubiquitous online experience.  Full-on cybernetics.  The man-machine barrier will very quickly fade, and we'll be online all the time.  The iPhone will be built in.  On a heads up display.  Always on.  Paying for our purchases, messaging our friends, and optimizing bus travel.  Nerds and sports nuts will have to come up with something new to do at bars, because arguing over trivia will no longer be fun.  The future of online journalism is this.  They will provide the content.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sol&#8217;s right that video games are not given enough attention by the author, and I&#8217;ll throw in two more that went completely without mention.  In the early 90&#8217;s, there were only two reasons, besides games, for a 12 year-old boy to use a modem: pirated software and porn.  Between game forums on Prodigy, dial-up &#8220;elite&#8221; BBSs, and Usenet (via Michnet dialup, Gopher to MSU, and Telnet out to NYX, a wonderful little machine at Denver University that was nice enough to give me a login, email, and access to all the illegal goodies I could hunt down) our family&#8217;s second phone line was all fuzz, squeaks, and squeals for many years.</p>
<p>Erin&#8217;s run-down of what&#8217;s new is pretty complete.  I would also throw in mobile devices, which have yet to reach even a tiny fraction of their future potential.  The iPhone is maaaaybe at the stage of the French videotex system.  Maybe.  We will, in our lifetimes, see a totally immersive, transparent, ubiquitous online experience.  Full-on cybernetics.  The man-machine barrier will very quickly fade, and we&#8217;ll be online all the time.  The iPhone will be built in.  On a heads up display.  Always on.  Paying for our purchases, messaging our friends, and optimizing bus travel.  Nerds and sports nuts will have to come up with something new to do at bars, because arguing over trivia will no longer be fun.  The future of online journalism is this.  They will provide the content.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Mark</title>
		<link>http://medillinteractivepublishing.com/reading-1-the-history-of-online-journalism/#comment-243</link>
		<author>Ryan Mark</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 13:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That comment ended up in the wrong place for some reason</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That comment ended up in the wrong place for some reason</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Mark</title>
		<link>http://medillinteractivepublishing.com/reading-1-the-history-of-online-journalism/#comment-241</link>
		<author>Ryan Mark</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 13:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great point about the the Issue of Quantity of Information. It seems that in this essay, Bush kind of assumes that all information is good information and while he does an amazing job of telling us about the computer and Interwebs 50 years early, he conveniently leaves out the part about spam.

I think this essay also makes a point about how people have (hopefully) learned their lesson when it comes to guessing what the future might be like. From Bush's descriptions of how these future devices might work, its made plain how even the smartest scientists are bound by extent of their experience. He got the concepts and goals of our current technological revolutions, but I'm still waiting for the walnut on my forehead that takes pictures. Apple is probably working on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great point about the the Issue of Quantity of Information. It seems that in this essay, Bush kind of assumes that all information is good information and while he does an amazing job of telling us about the computer and Interwebs 50 years early, he conveniently leaves out the part about spam.</p>
<p>I think this essay also makes a point about how people have (hopefully) learned their lesson when it comes to guessing what the future might be like. From Bush&#8217;s descriptions of how these future devices might work, its made plain how even the smartest scientists are bound by extent of their experience. He got the concepts and goals of our current technological revolutions, but I&#8217;m still waiting for the walnut on my forehead that takes pictures. Apple is probably working on it.</p>
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		<title>By: chillstrom</title>
		<link>http://medillinteractivepublishing.com/reading-1-the-history-of-online-journalism/#comment-236</link>
		<author>chillstrom</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 07:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://medillinteractivepublishing.com/reading-1-the-history-of-online-journalism/#comment-236</guid>
		<description>I like to agree with Erin's idea of increased ownership of work for journalists, and the formation of independent groups of journalists and solo ones connecting with their own audiences without the necessity of a bigger organizational mediator.  At the same time, when I think of my own consumption of media, there are several places I regularly go to, and some that others recommend to me, but in general I feel daunted and overwhelmed by the amount of choices out there.  While I appreciate the fact that they ARE out there, one of the challenges now, I think, as James was getting it, is figuring out how to show audiences where to look to find new things.  With such a wealth of information, and journalism, out there, how do you connect audiences with stories they really want to read?  Sometimes if I watch tv at someone's house that has hundreds and hundreds of cable channels, I almost wish there were just 50.  Hundreds seems so unmanageable, and since I don't know well enough where to look for what I want (I'm probably just a bad tv-watcher) it stresses me out-- I figure there must be something that would be perfect to watch, but how will I ever find it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like to agree with Erin&#8217;s idea of increased ownership of work for journalists, and the formation of independent groups of journalists and solo ones connecting with their own audiences without the necessity of a bigger organizational mediator.  At the same time, when I think of my own consumption of media, there are several places I regularly go to, and some that others recommend to me, but in general I feel daunted and overwhelmed by the amount of choices out there.  While I appreciate the fact that they ARE out there, one of the challenges now, I think, as James was getting it, is figuring out how to show audiences where to look to find new things.  With such a wealth of information, and journalism, out there, how do you connect audiences with stories they really want to read?  Sometimes if I watch tv at someone&#8217;s house that has hundreds and hundreds of cable channels, I almost wish there were just 50.  Hundreds seems so unmanageable, and since I don&#8217;t know well enough where to look for what I want (I&#8217;m probably just a bad tv-watcher) it stresses me out&#8211; I figure there must be something that would be perfect to watch, but how will I ever find it?</p>
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		<title>By: jedwards</title>
		<link>http://medillinteractivepublishing.com/reading-1-the-history-of-online-journalism/#comment-235</link>
		<author>jedwards</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 07:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It looks like I have one more thing to thank the Brits for, besides the Beatles, Shakespeare and Kate Winslet.  Carlson's piece furthers the belief that it's not a matter of the content itself  but how that content will be delivered to its audience.  We will find that the method of delivery stretches to many areas besides media.  Look at shopping for instance.  More than 100 years ago, mail order went from being the main source of revenue for many companies to just a small piece of the pie with the growth of retail stores and shopping malls and the suburban expansion.  Now malls and retailers are having to adjust to the rise in e-commerce shopping, which can be called "e-mail order."  In my opinion, the debate over the future of journalism (hyperlocalism, consolidation, ethics, etc.) is a red herring that avoids the key question of how do we stay ahead of the curve in the delivery of our content.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It looks like I have one more thing to thank the Brits for, besides the Beatles, Shakespeare and Kate Winslet.  Carlson&#8217;s piece furthers the belief that it&#8217;s not a matter of the content itself  but how that content will be delivered to its audience.  We will find that the method of delivery stretches to many areas besides media.  Look at shopping for instance.  More than 100 years ago, mail order went from being the main source of revenue for many companies to just a small piece of the pie with the growth of retail stores and shopping malls and the suburban expansion.  Now malls and retailers are having to adjust to the rise in e-commerce shopping, which can be called &#8220;e-mail order.&#8221;  In my opinion, the debate over the future of journalism (hyperlocalism, consolidation, ethics, etc.) is a red herring that avoids the key question of how do we stay ahead of the curve in the delivery of our content.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Pollock</title>
		<link>http://medillinteractivepublishing.com/reading-1-the-history-of-online-journalism/#comment-232</link>
		<author>Joshua Pollock</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 05:00:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A fellow prodigy user myself, I found it refreshing to hear about these "advanced technologies" of the times - computers with 286 mhz processors, and file transfer rates being clocked in @ bps. In his article, Carlson focused mainly on the development of the online services, and really underscored the importance of delivery. Early internet entrepreneurs meant well, but they did not have the proper tools to deliver the services they wished.

Computers were large, clunky, expensive and unrealistic for the average homeowner. However, as technology and our infrastructure have improved, internet content has become of greater quality, and the internet is much more readily available throughout the world. With that said, journalism is growing exponentially with the services provided by major wireless phone companies now.

We can access the internet from our phones. Let's face it: they're not phones any more. That IPhone, Blackberry, Trio, or whatever you have in your pocket is the gateway to the future of online content. Check your email. Watch the highlights from the game. Get the news, maps, pictures, or anything you want on a regular computer all on a three inch by two inch device that fits comfortably in your pocket.

This is the future of journalism - another new technology. Your mobile computer that also makes phone calls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A fellow prodigy user myself, I found it refreshing to hear about these &#8220;advanced technologies&#8221; of the times - computers with 286 mhz processors, and file transfer rates being clocked in @ bps. In his article, Carlson focused mainly on the development of the online services, and really underscored the importance of delivery. Early internet entrepreneurs meant well, but they did not have the proper tools to deliver the services they wished.</p>
<p>Computers were large, clunky, expensive and unrealistic for the average homeowner. However, as technology and our infrastructure have improved, internet content has become of greater quality, and the internet is much more readily available throughout the world. With that said, journalism is growing exponentially with the services provided by major wireless phone companies now.</p>
<p>We can access the internet from our phones. Let&#8217;s face it: they&#8217;re not phones any more. That IPhone, Blackberry, Trio, or whatever you have in your pocket is the gateway to the future of online content. Check your email. Watch the highlights from the game. Get the news, maps, pictures, or anything you want on a regular computer all on a three inch by two inch device that fits comfortably in your pocket.</p>
<p>This is the future of journalism - another new technology. Your mobile computer that also makes phone calls.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Mark</title>
		<link>http://medillinteractivepublishing.com/reading-1-the-history-of-online-journalism/#comment-231</link>
		<author>Ryan Mark</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 04:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think JTR makes a good point about the mainstream media.

I found it interesting that the French were the only ones who could make the early videotex systems work - by giving it away for free - and how the Americans couldn't get anyone to buy their systems because they charged so much. and charged for every little thing. It resonates today in how all the newspaper sites have stopped charging for access because people rather not pay and how the television, music and movie industries are slowly, painfully learning the same lessons.

There's definitely a few more chapters to be written about the other media companies have dealt with the rise of the Internet. And the difference between how the newspapers handled it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think JTR makes a good point about the mainstream media.</p>
<p>I found it interesting that the French were the only ones who could make the early videotex systems work - by giving it away for free - and how the Americans couldn&#8217;t get anyone to buy their systems because they charged so much. and charged for every little thing. It resonates today in how all the newspaper sites have stopped charging for access because people rather not pay and how the television, music and movie industries are slowly, painfully learning the same lessons.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s definitely a few more chapters to be written about the other media companies have dealt with the rise of the Internet. And the difference between how the newspapers handled it.</p>
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		<title>By: epeterson</title>
		<link>http://medillinteractivepublishing.com/reading-1-the-history-of-online-journalism/#comment-229</link>
		<author>epeterson</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 02:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. Call me uninformed, but I had no idea that this technology was around as early as it was. My first memory of the Internet was playing games via a Prodigy account sometime in the mid-1990s. One thing that has changed drastically since the article was written is the issue of profitability. News websites are now finding that their online content CAN be profitable. There are simply fewer costs involved in going online, and I think I read somewhere that about 10 percent of a newspaper's total revenue comes from online ads.

Great Britain was really on top of the whole computer thing as well, which I never knew.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. Call me uninformed, but I had no idea that this technology was around as early as it was. My first memory of the Internet was playing games via a Prodigy account sometime in the mid-1990s. One thing that has changed drastically since the article was written is the issue of profitability. News websites are now finding that their online content CAN be profitable. There are simply fewer costs involved in going online, and I think I read somewhere that about 10 percent of a newspaper&#8217;s total revenue comes from online ads.</p>
<p>Great Britain was really on top of the whole computer thing as well, which I never knew.</p>
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		<title>By: jtownsend-rogers</title>
		<link>http://medillinteractivepublishing.com/reading-1-the-history-of-online-journalism/#comment-225</link>
		<author>jtownsend-rogers</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 14:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The history of online journalism as traced through this article is interesting. I found the mention of videotex fascinating as it would be the predecessor to what is now regarded as commonplace in terms of technology.

One item that I found interesting throughout the article was the notion of companies having problems profiting from the wares of the internet, first with British Telecom's attempts in the late 1980s, and then with Gateway's attempts around the same period. 

Fast forwarding to the present, mainstream  media is still struggling with profiting from internet success (one example is how mainstream television is slow to deal with the growing success of online television outlets such as Hulu.com). 

I also found it very interesting that the first journalism site on the web was launched by the University of Florida College of Journalism &#38; Communications, as that is located in my home state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The history of online journalism as traced through this article is interesting. I found the mention of videotex fascinating as it would be the predecessor to what is now regarded as commonplace in terms of technology.</p>
<p>One item that I found interesting throughout the article was the notion of companies having problems profiting from the wares of the internet, first with British Telecom&#8217;s attempts in the late 1980s, and then with Gateway&#8217;s attempts around the same period. </p>
<p>Fast forwarding to the present, mainstream  media is still struggling with profiting from internet success (one example is how mainstream television is slow to deal with the growing success of online television outlets such as Hulu.com). </p>
<p>I also found it very interesting that the first journalism site on the web was launched by the University of Florida College of Journalism &amp; Communications, as that is located in my home state.</p>
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